Practically Passionate

Our guest for today is Patrick Taylor, known to many readers as the Texas Yeti. A former technology executive who built and sold a successful hardware company and later served as president of Intel’s board of advisors, Patrick reinvented himself in his late fifties as an adventurer and author. His memoir Lost on Purpose, part of the Real Life Adventures of the Texas Yeti series, draws from his personal journals and chronicles his solo winter trek retracing the Lewis and Clark trail.In this episode, we unpack how Patrick transitioned from corporate leadership to spending nearly two months alone in the wilderness. He shares why he chose to sell almost everything before leaving, what it meant to fully close a chapter of his life, and how solitude in extreme conditions helped him rebuild confidence after divorce and professional setbacks. We discuss how the book began as a journal meant for his children, how early criticism improved his writing, and how steady Amazon sales gradually turned into a growing catalog.

We welcome back Michael Bungay Stanier, author of the million copy bestseller The Coaching Habit. Beyond that landmark book, Michael is the founder of Box of Crayons, a training company that helps organizations build practical coaching skills rooted in curiosity, serving clients such as Microsoft, Salesforce, and TELUS. He has written eight books that have collectively sold more than two million copies worldwide, and his influence in the coaching profession has been recognized with the Thinkers50 Coaching Award in 2023 and induction into the Thinkers50 Hall of Fame in 2025. A Rhodes Scholar with a global perspective on leadership and learning, Michael brings intellectual rigor and practical insight to the world of modern coaching.In this episode, we go deeper into what really happened before The Coaching Habit became a global success. Michael shares why book marketing is far more unpredictable than most authors want to admit, and why selling ten thousand copies is already an extraordinary outcome. We talk abo

Welcome back to Before the Bestseller. It’s 2026, and we’re starting the year with a rockstar author and one of the most influential voices in modern leadership and coaching, Michael Bungay Stanier. Michael is the author of The Coaching Habit, a global bestseller with over a million copies sold, along with Do More Great Work and The Advice Trap. He’s a Rhodes Scholar, a Thinkers50 Coaching Award winner, and the host of the Change Signal podcast, known for helping leaders turn everyday conversations into moments that actually move people forward.In this episode, we get into why giving advice is often the least helpful thing we can do, even when it’s coming from a good place. Michael breaks down the idea of the Advice Monster, the habits that keep us jumping in too quickly, and why the first problem someone brings to you is rarely the real one. We talk about the power of listening, staying curious longer, and how a few well-placed questions can completely change team meetings, feedback conversations, and leader

Thank you for spending time with us this year. We hope these conversations gave you something useful to apply to your author journey. We’re grateful to the guests who shared their stories, and we’ll be back in February 2026 with what’s shaping up to be our strongest lineup yet, including new voices like Eric Ries and the return of guests such as Nir Eyal. If you enjoyed the show, a quick review helps us bring even better conversations your way. Thanks for listening, and we’ll see you in 2026. Wishing you a happy and healthy new year. — Take a second to follow, review, or share this with someone who might find it useful. Your support helps more people discover the show. — Get the popular weekly book marketing 3-2-1 and get access to our $299 Amazon Ads course when you subscribe to our newsletter here: https://getshelflife.com/category/newsletter/ Head to our new website for more content and updates.: www.getshelflife.com If you're interested in connecting further or have any questions, feel free to email

We’re back with Stephan Spencer, a longtime leader in SEO and digital marketing. Over the past two decades, he has worked with brands like Zappos, Quiksilver, Chanel, Volvo, Sony, and Best Buy, helping them strengthen their online visibility and growth strategy. He is the bestselling author of The Art of SEO, the host of the Marketing Speak podcast, and widely respected for his ability to spot what is quietly holding businesses back.In this episode, we zero in on YouTube and why it still matters far more than most authors think. Stephan breaks down why YouTube remains one of the most powerful discovery platforms in the world, how attention and curiosity actually work, and why strategy and quality consistently outperform posting volume. We talk about crafting hooks that stop the scroll, shaping story arcs that keep people watching, using Shorts without burning out, and why thumbnails and titles are often the most overlooked growth lever. We also explore how authors can experiment across platforms, when AI help

Today I get to sit down with someone who has shaped how some of the world’s biggest brands think about SEO. Stephan Spencer is a top SEO consultant, bestselling author, and the host of the long-running Marketing Speak podcast. For more than two decades he has helped companies like Zappos, Sony Store, Quiksilver, Chanel, Volvo, Best Buy and many others strengthen their online visibility and build SEO strategies that actually move the needle. His book The Art of SEO is considered required reading across the industry, and Stephan is widely recognized for spotting the gaps, mistakes, and missed opportunities that cost businesses real revenue.In this episode, Stephan and I dive deep into the new landscape of search and discovery. We talk about AIO or AI Overviews optimization, how Google and LLMs are reshaping what it means to show up online, and why citations are becoming just as important as links. Stephan walks through the exact tools he uses to measure LLM visibility, the importance of schema and site architec

In today’s episode, we welcome back Thomas Erikson, the behaviorist and international bestselling author behind the global phenomenon Surrounded by Idiots. What began as a single book has grown into the bestselling Surrounded by series, with more than twelve million copies sold and translations in nearly 70 languages. Thomas speaks to audiences around the world, delivering more than a hundred keynotes each year to TEDx stages, Fortune 500 companies, and government organizations.In this conversation, Thomas looks back on the twenty years he wrote without ever being published, the rejection letters he kept in binders, and the moment he realized he couldn’t stop creating even when no one was reading. He shares why he ultimately chose to self-publish Surrounded by Idiots after countless rejections, how those early copies found their way into readers’ hands, and the unexpected momentum that followed. Thomas also reflects on how his background shaped the way he explains behavior, why he writes for everyday people i

Today, we’re joined by Thomas Erikson, the highest-selling living Swedish author and the international bestseller behind Surrounded by Idiots, the book that has helped millions understand human behavior in a clearer and more practical way. Its global success led to an entire Surrounded by series, including Surrounded by Psychopaths, Surrounded by Bad Bosses, Surrounded by Setbacks, Surrounded by Narcissists, Surrounded by Energy Vampires, and Surrounded by Liars. With more than 12 million copies sold and translations in nearly seventy languages, Thomas has become one of the most recognized behavioral experts in the world. He delivers more than one hundred twenty talks each year, from TEDx stages to Fortune 500 companies and government organizations, helping leaders stop guessing and start truly understanding the people around them.In this episode, Thomas shares the real backstory behind Surrounded by Idiots, including the long stretch of rejections that only strengthened his belief in the idea. He breaks down

We’re back with Nick Coniglio and Marnie Stockman, co-authors of Lead It Like Lasso, the Ted Lasso inspired leadership book that set out to sell 25,000 copies in its first year and ended up passing 41,000. They started as complete unknowns with no platform, no agent, and no special advantage, yet their book has grown into a quiet hit across business readers and fans of the show. Today, they have an audiobook, hundreds of reviews, and a loyal audience built on character, creativity, and the belief that leadership begins in everyday moments.In this episode, Nick and Marnie break down how they made it all happen. We talk through their co-authoring process, how they built their leadership framework around memorable Ted Lasso quotes, and the legal steps involved in writing a book tied to someone else’s IP. They share how they found their audience inside fan communities, how they approached nearly one hundred podcast interviews, what actually worked during their launch, where they wasted money, and how genuine enga

Nick Coniglio and Marnie Stockman aren’t your typical leadership authors. Before writing Lead It Like Lasso, they built and sold an edtech company for eight figures in just three years without a single sales rep. Drawing from their very different backgrounds in tech and education, they combined strategy with heart to create a business rooted in authenticity, trust, and what they call “raving fans.” Their book, inspired by the optimism and leadership lessons of Ted Lasso, has already reached over 40,000 readers and continues to connect with anyone looking to lead with more character and clarity.In this episode, Nick and Marnie sit down to share the story behind their unconventional success. They talk about the moment a core value clash pushed them to start fresh, the frameworks that guided their company’s culture, and how they scaled entirely through word of mouth and genuine partnerships. They unpack how a “communication guide” reshaped the way their team worked together, what it really means to lead like Ted

We’re delighted to welcome back the incomparable Dava Sobel, bestselling author, award-winning science writer, and the brilliant mind behind Longitude, Galileo’s Daughter, and The Glass Universe. Her work has illuminated the human stories behind some of history’s greatest scientific discoveries, earning her international acclaim and a devoted readership that spans generations.In this episode, Dava shares the fascinating story behind how Longitude became a global success, from cultivating genuine one-on-one relationships with readers to collaborating with a small publisher that believed in the power of beautiful design. She recalls the early days of marketing before social media, when a thoughtfully crafted book cover, a creative insert, or a well-placed newspaper review could change everything. And in perhaps the most remarkable twist of all, she tells how Neil Armstrong — yes, the first man to walk on the moon — wrote the foreword for the 10th-anniversary edition of Longitude, connecting one historic journey

Today we have a very special guest: Dava Sobel, Pulitzer Prize finalist and bestselling author of Longitude, Galileo’s Daughter, The Glass Universe, and The Planets. Her books have been translated into more than 30 languages and continue to inspire readers around the world to see science through a more human lens. Known for blending meticulous research with emotional storytelling, Dava has built a lifelong career showing how curiosity and wonder can turn complex discoveries into timeless narratives.In this episode, Dava shares her journey from an uncertain college student with five majors to a celebrated science writer. She talks about how stumbling into journalism taught her to write with clarity, speed, and heart, and how that foundation led to Longitude, the book that changed everything. From its humble beginnings as a magazine article to becoming a global bestseller, Dava reveals the behind-the-scenes details of its success, including her collaboration with small publishers, the role of independent bookse

Today, we’re joined by Veronica Yager, a self-publishing consultant and lead designer with over 15 years of experience helping hundreds of authors bring their books to life. As the former president of the Colorado Independent Publishers Association and founder of Journey Bound Publishing, Veronica has spent her career guiding writers through the process of turning their ideas into beautifully published books that actually reach readers.In this episode, Veronica shares how book launches have evolved in 2025 and what’s working for authors who want real, lasting impact. She doesn’t just talk theory; she gives clear, actionable tips any author can start using right away. From building early momentum to keeping readers engaged months after launch, she explains what truly drives long-term results in today’s publishing landscape. We also dive into how authors can adapt to virtual launches, build stronger reader connections, and use tools like Publisher Rocket and Goodreads Giveaways to gain momentum. Along the way,

We’re back with Thomas Umstattd Jr., author, award-winning speaker, and  host of the world’s longest running book marketing show, Novel Marketing Podcast. Thomas has helped thousands of writers think like marketers, creating tools and strategies that help authors turn their books into lasting assets. As the founder of the Patron Toolbox, he continues to teach authors how to build platforms that grow with them, grounded in real data, not guesswork.In this episode, Thomas joins us to talk about the future of book discovery through AI Optimization. We dive into how authors can make their books visible to AI models, why websites and Goodreads pages matter more than ever, what role media coverage and backlinks play in visibility, and how authors can ethically adapt to the rise of generative engines. Thomas also shares the importance of long-term marketing, practical tools for auditing your online presence, and timeless advice for reaching readers in a changing digital world.If you’ve ever wondered how to stay rele

This week, I’m thrilled to be joined by Thomas Umstattd Jr., someone who has shaped so much of my own thinking about book marketing. An author, award-winning speaker, and podcaster best known for hosting the world’s longest running book marketing show, Novel Marketing, Thomas has become a go-to guide for writers who want to reach readers and build sustainable careers through his book Courtship in Crisis, countless conference talks, and more than 500 podcast episodes.In this episode Thomas walks us through his journey from building author websites and launching Novel Marketing to the big shifts that have reshaped publishing including the rise of Kindle and Audible, the hidden indie sales BookScan misses, the boom in courses for nonfiction, and why YouTube behaves so differently from podcasts. We also dive into his newest experiment “AI Thomas,” an assistant trained on everything he has taught to give authors personalized marketing advice.If you are an author or book marketer trying to navigate a crowded and fa

We’re back with Dr. Catherine Gildiner, bestselling author of Good Morning, Monster and Too Close to the Falls. Dr. Cathy’s books have sold over a million copies, landed on the New York Times bestseller list, and translated into 32 languages. After 25 years as a clinical psychologist, she turned her focus fully to writing and has since built a career that blends deep human insight with unforgettable storytelling.In this episode, Dr. Cathy Gildiner pulls back the curtain on how her books reached readers worldwide. She explains how a 30-second mention from Glennon Doyle on Good Morning America set off a sales wave that never slowed, and why that luck only mattered because she had already spent years creating a grassroots buzz. From her 250 book club appearances to the realities of a publisher’s short publicity window, she shares how to build momentum through your own launch, social media done right, and saying yes to every “dinky” opportunity that puts your book in readers’ hands. You will also hear her take on

Joining us today is Dr. Catherine Gildiner, who has worked for over 25 years as a clinical psychologist, guiding patients through trauma and recovery. She went on to share those experiences with the world in her New York Times bestselling book Good Morning, Monster, which has reached more than a million readers in over 30 languages, along with her acclaimed memoir Too Close to the Falls. Dr. Gildiner invites us to see therapy not as abstract theory, but as the practice of learning to live without the weight of old defenses.In this episode, we dive into the real work of therapy, what it takes, why it matters, and how it transforms lives. Kathy shares stories behind Good Morning, Monster, including patients like Peter, Danny, and Alana, whose journeys reveal how culture, silence, the body, and even dreams shape the healing process. We talk about why some people recover while others walk away, how to recognize when you need therapy, how to find the right therapist, and when to move on if it is not working. Along

Today we welcome back Commander Mark Divine, a man who has led Navy SEALs, built multimillion-dollar training companies, and sold hundreds of thousands of books, to unpack the real story of what it takes to write and market a bestseller. Mark is not only a retired SEAL Commander but also the founder of SEALFit and Unbeatable Mind, programs that combine elite physical training with mindfulness, breathwork, and visualization. His books, including 8 Weeks to SEALFit, The Way of the SEAL, Staring Down the Wolf, and Unbeatable Mind, have earned spots on both the New York Times and Wall Street Journal bestseller lists while inspiring leaders, athletes, and readers around the world.In this episode, Mark takes us behind the scenes of his author journey, from the unexpected phone call that led to his first publishing deal, to the freedom and higher royalties of self-publishing, to the tough decision to return to a traditional publisher during COVID. He opens up about the financial trade-offs, the hits and misses of bu

Today, Commander Mark Divine joins us with a rare blend of grit and clarity. He is the author of Unbeatable Mind, a field-tested guide to building calm, focus, and purpose under pressure, a self-published success with seven-figure earnings and an estimated 300,000 to 400,000 copies sold. A former Navy SEAL Commander and New York Times bestselling author, Mark holds a PhD in Global Leadership and Change from Pepperdine, co-founded SEALFIT, Unbeatable Mind, and Coronado Brewing Company, and has trained teams at Google, Nike, SpaceX, Boeing, Harvard, the Olympics, and YPO. He also taught leadership as an adjunct at the University of San Diego and founded the Courage Foundation to support veterans in holistic recovery.In this episode, we put the core disciplines of Unbeatable Mind to work. Mark breaks down box breathing as a reliable reset you can use before a briefing, a hard conversation, a client meeting, or a keynote. He shows how visualization, forward focus, and train-what-you-can protocols guided his recov

Our guest for today’s episode is Blake Erickson, someone whose story of grit and growth is as inspiring as it is practical. From starting in door-to-door sales at 21 and leading teams that generated over $30M in revenue, to becoming a multimillionaire by 25, Blake has proven what’s possible when focus meets ambition. In 2024, he co-founded Scaling.com with Dr. Benjamin Hardy and together they wrote The Science of Scaling, a playbook for achieving exponential growth. More than the milestones, what defines Blake is his passion for turning his own success into a roadmap that empowers others to grow.In this episode, Blake opens up about the mindset and framework that drive exponential growth. He shares how setting “impossible goals” forces you to think differently, raise your standards, and eliminate distractions. You’ll hear his personal story of selling off multiple businesses, cutting out the noise, and focusing entirely on building a company with a $100M target. He also breaks down the 3-part framework from T