Nareit's Reit Report Podcast

A corporate governance structure that includes board members that are independent, yet work as strong partners to the executive board, has clear long-term benefits for REIT performance, says Bill Ferguson, chairman of global professional services firm Ferguson Partners.Speaking on the REIT Report, Ferguson said “it’s a fine balance…the board is there to be a fiduciary and represent the shareholders’ interests, but the bottom line is that they also need to be a good partner to the leadership team to make sure that the strategy and the execution of the business makes sense.”Issues surrounding governance, in addition to a range of other ESG topics, will be explored at Nareit’s upcoming REITworks: 2022 Conference held on Sept. 12-13 in La Quinta, California.

With listed REITs trading at sizeable discounts to their underlying gross asset value, institutional investors should prioritize public real estate at this time, says Dave Bragg, co-head of strategic research at Green Street.“Now is a great time to prioritize the public market as it is on sale,” Bragg told the REIT Report.Bragg stressed the advisability for investors to have a dual mandate across the public and private real estate markets as it “really does maximize one's opportunity to generate alpha.”Listed REITs have had meaningful declines this year, Bragg noted, but it reflects a broader trend, which is that “just about every asset that one can imagine has delivered a negative total return.”Bragg also noted that capital flows are a key driver of the disconnect in public and private market values. Private market flows have remained robust in 2022 and may even match last year’s record-setting tally, he said. Meanwhile, flows into listed REITs “remain quite tepid.”

The sale of roughly half of PREIT’s (NYSE: PEI) portfolio of shopping malls, combined with the replacement of unproductive department stores with better performing assets, positions the company well for the future and makes a compelling case for investors, says Chairman and CEO Joe Coradino.Speaking on the Nareit REIT Report, Coradino also commented on how PREIT is evolving its properties into community hubs.“With assets in Philadelphia and Washington, D.C. that are well located, and with opportunities to do upwards of 4,000 apartments, [as well as] medical facilities and life sciences technology, our ability to attract either buyers or joint venture partners is pretty profound. It gives us a way to harvest capital and create value in these properties,” Coradino said.

Real estate deal activity is concentrating on sectors that can perform well in a rising rate environment or in periods of high inflation, with experiential-oriented assets in particular demand, says Tim Bodner, partner and U.S. real estate deals leader at PwC.Speaking on the REIT Report, Bodner said PwC has continued to see activity building in the lodging space, as well as for casinos, marinas, and ski resorts. “All things that are tied to people being out.”Bodner said PwC is anticipating robust deal activity in the back half of 2022, although it may be more episodic in the listed segment of the market.The current environment has meant that there’s a lot more focus on underwriting, Bodner said. “Certainly, growth in rents and in NOI is something that folks are spending a lot of time putting attention on to make sure they feel good about their forward projections.”

Commercial real estate is in a position to take a leading role to advance the sustainability agenda, while regulation is also helping to move the whole industry forward, says Matt Ellis, founder and CEO of Measurabl, a provider of ESG data management solutions.Speaking on the REIT Report, Ellis said there is a “tremendous leadership opportunity in our sector to really take advantage of the transition to green for the better of everyone—our occupiers and customers, our investors, and certainly ourselves as well. I think that we're in a good position to do it. We just can't slow down. We’ve got to speed up.”Ellis described Measurabl, launched in 2013, as a “decade-long project to build the tools for measuring, managing, reporting, and ultimately acting on sustainability for the real estate sector.” He noted that there has been “a profound migration of organizations of every size around the world towards more sustainable business models. This is being done in just the span of a few years.”

The affordable housing crisis facing the United States today is not just a lower-income phenomena, but impacts individuals making six-figure salaries, says Kenneth Bacon, co-founder and managing partner of financial advisory and asset management firm RailField Partners, and former Fannie Mae executive.Speaking on the REIT Report, Bacon, who also serves as board chair at Welltower Inc. (NYSE: WELL), said “if you pull back the covers and look at the data, you'll see that young professionals, people earning six figure salaries in cities like San Francisco and New York, are hard pressed to find places that they can afford.”Bacon said the biggest problem behind the lack of affordable housing today is that the building process has become too long and difficult.As for the state of the commercial real estate sector today, Bacon said that as interest rates rise he sees a return to a “more normalized investment ecology.” That in turn will mean that investors are “going to have to work a lot harder to get some of t

Conditions in the lodging and hospitality real estate sector are healthy overall, but the combination of ongoing labor shortages, interest rate creep, and high construction costs are acting to soften margins, says Daniel Weede, partner in Morris, Manning & Martin’s hospitality, real estate, and real estate development & finance practices.Speaking on the REIT Report, Weede noted that “there's a lot of optimism in this industry, and I think, at least for the next several years, that's likely to stay.” However, “margins are thinner,” he added.Weede also discussed the potential for consolidation, noting that there will be likely be more merger and acquisition activity in the next 12 to 24 months than seen in the previous 12 to 24 months. “It's a healthy industry, but you've got some players that are doing really, really well, and others that are struggling a little bit.”

Phillips Edison & Co., Inc. is seeing a “really strong” operating environment across its portfolio, but the REIT also has a realistic view that there are going to be pressures weighing on the consumer from a range of macroeconomic factors, Chairman and CEO Jeffrey Edison said.Speaking on Nareit’s REIT Report, Edison noted that questions from investors at Nareit’s REITweek: 2022 Investor Conference last week revolved around the theme of potential disruption to the current environment from factors including higher interest rates and inflation pressure.“I think we have a realistic view that there are going to be pressures on the consumer from those macro events,” Edison said.

Commercial real estate continues to provide a solid hedge against inflation, a trend that has been borne out over multiple decades during periods when inflation has exceeded 4%, says Carly Tripp, global chief investment officer and head of investments for Nuveen Real Estate.Speaking on the REIT Report, Tripp noted that Nuveen research shows that compared to other asset classes, commercial real estate was the only one that emerged with an overall net positive return during those inflationary periods.“We always say real estate is an inflation hedge, and we're seeing that play through right now. So it's a good time to be in commercial real estate in my opinion,” Tripp said.

Consumers remain largely confident about their personal situations, despite a host of broader economic and geopolitical concerns, says Tom O’Hern, CEO of Macerich (NYSE: MAC). That sentiment is fueling sales and leasing volumes across the REIT’s portfolio of retail and mixed-use real estate.“The resiliency of the American consumer is amazing, and it is once again on display. Shoppers have come roaring back to our centers to shop with a purpose,” O’Hern told the REIT Report.During the first quarter, sales were 111% of what they were pre-COVID.“Despite the economic uncertainty regarding inflation that we haven't frankly seen in decades, higher mortgage rates, a very volatile stock market, and the war in Ukraine, American consumers remain largely confident about their own situations,” O’Hern said.

Private equity funds, endowments, and large institutional investors will continue to have a large appetite for commercial real estate given the current inflationary environment and geopolitical uncertainty, says John Sullivan, chair of DLA Piper’s U.S. real estate practice and co-chair of its global real estate practice.Speaking on the Nareit REIT Report, Sullivan said that asset classes with the ability to reprice themselves due to short lease cycles, such as multifamily and industrial real estate, “are viewed as a good bet because you can raise your rents to… at least keep up with inflation.”Sullivan highlighted some of the findings of DLA Piper’s 2022 State of the Market survey, including that respondents see logistics, multi-family, life science, and data centers as offering the most attractive risk- adjusted returns for the next 12 months.

Global investment in U.S. real estate is at its strongest-ever level, with non-core markets and multifamily and industrial asset classes continuing to lead the charge in terms of investor interest, according to Gunnar Branson, CEO of AFIRE, the association for international real estate investors focused on commercial property in the U.S.Speaking on the Nareit REIT Report, Branson noted that while there are certainly lots of concerns surrounding global events, “real estate investing is on a terrific pace in the first quarter.”The top property asset class for institutional investors from around the world continues to be multifamily, Branson said, followed by industrial real estate. And while the office asset class will definitely continue to exist, questions remain about which offices are going to succeed, and which will have to rethink the level of capital investment that will be required to compete, he added.

A skills gap within the real estate industry means that to attract talent, firms must adopt human capital strategies that align with changes in employee expectations, says Gemma Burgess, president of Ferguson Partners.Burgess will become CEO of Ferguson, a global professional services firm, on June 1. Speaking on the REIT Report, Burgess attributed a skills gap within the real estate industry to the fact that many mid-level professionals left the field in the wake of the global financial crisis. “We’re definitely facing a missing generation in our industry. That’s suddenly making the succession work more challenging,” she added.Meanwhile, Burgess pointed to changes that have occurred in the workplace. “People want to work in different ways today. They want to work more flexibly. They certainly want to work within an environment where they feel like they belong and that there’s a culture that they believe in, and they can see a future for themselves.”

Although a return to the office has started in earnest, it will take the rest of 2022 to take hold, and even longer before clear patterns of usage emerge, says Julie Whelan, global head of occupier research at CBRE.Speaking on the REIT Report, Whelan said it will likely be 2023 “before we can really start to hang our hat on trends that we can say are stable [in order] to build assumptions about what new work patterns are going to look like.”Whelan described current office usage as “muted…but the good news is that it’s picking up.” Some of the Southern states have seen a higher return to office rate, although in the past week New York and Washington, D.C. actually saw some of the biggest gains, she noted.

Angel Oak Mortgage, Inc . (NYSE: AOMR) CFO Brandon Filson sees the non-qualified mortgage (QM) loan segment reverting over time to its historical level of about 10% of the overall mortgage market, compared to 2% today, providing the mREIT with significant opportunity for growth in the years ahead.Speaking on the REIT Report, Filson noted that 10% of the overall market would be about $200 billion, versus about $25 to $50 billion today.Angel Oak Mortgage, which went public in June 2021, focuses on acquiring and investing in first lien non-QM loans and other mortgage-related assets in the U.S. mortgage market. Non-QM loans are not backed by government agencies and are aimed at homebuyers unable to meet the strict criteria of a qualifying mortgage in areas such as income or personal debt.

Business models are central to corporate performance and wealth creation, and even the most complex models can be reduced to six basic variables, says Chris Volk, a veteran REIT executive, business leader, and author.Speaking on the REIT Report, Volk discussed his upcoming book, The Value Equation, which will be published on May 10.Volk also discussed his career, during which he introduced and led three public companies. One of those was STORE Capital Corp. (NYSE: STOR), his third net lease iteration, formed in 2011. Combined, the companies provided more than $20 billion in growth capital to thousands of businesses, he said.

Capital flow of non-traded alternative investments could grow to a $250 billion a year market within the next five years, with early 2022 data already pointing to a record-breaking year for fundraising in the sector, according to the Institute for Portfolio Alternatives (IPA).Speaking on the REIT Report on April 18, Anya Coverman, SVP, government affairs and general counsel at IPA, said the outlook for 2022 is “incredibly bright. You have Blackstone, Starwood, and other large asset managers leading with a blockbuster year.”Citing research data from Robert A. Stanger & Co., Coverman said sales overall are topping $19.1 billion in January and February. “So, this is already on pace to beat last year's record tally of $70 billion.”

Outside of the industrial sector, residential real estate in the United States “probably has the best supply-demand backdrop in global real estate right now,” says Ryan Dobratz, portfolio manager of the Third Avenue Real Estate Value Fund.Speaking on the REIT Report, Dobratz said he sees “a significant amount of demand for single family housing, in particular within more affordable Sunbelt markets, at the same time that supply is very, very low.”Companies active on the home building side are seeing benefits, Dobratz said, including timber REITs. Timber REITs are going to be able to generate much higher levels of cash flow and ultimately pay much higher dividends, given residential market conditions, he noted. “Timber is also a terrific place to be invested in an inflationary environment.”Dobratz pointed to the war in Ukraine, supply chain issues, and high inflation as issues of macro concern right now. At the same time, he noted that “commercial real estate has historically been a great place to park capital

Proposed Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) rules to enhance and standardize climate-related disclosures for investors are just the first step in terms of finding the right balance of what's required from a regulatory perspective, said Uma Pattarkine, a senior investment strategy analyst and global ESG lead for CenterSquare Investment Management.Pattarkine told the REIT Report that the SEC proposals were “a lot more robust than I had originally anticipated,” given the level of initial disclosure, and require REITs to be able to get a lot of that data at the property level.Many REITs, Pattarkine said, are already committed to science-based targets. For such companies, the SEC proposals will not impose any additional burdens. However, for REITs that have been lagging in terms of collecting data, “it's going to take a lot of work for them to get to what the SEC might require from a disclosure perspective.”

Laurie Baker, COO at Camden Property Trust (NYSE: CPT), says the importance of gender equity and diversity within the commercial real estate industry has been amplified as a result of the pandemic.Speaking on Nareit’s REIT Report, Baker said that while more women are rising to key leadership positions across the industry, the pandemic “in many ways stalled the progress that was being made because they [women] were disproportionately forced to choose between careers and caregiving for their family.”At the same time, Baker said, the pandemic also presented opportunities in the form of new forms of flexibility and “resetting definitions of career satisfaction and what company success and personal success is.”Baker, who was named COO in late 2021, also reflected on her more than two decades at Camden, including her work implementing pioneer revenue management technology as well as helping to create Camden’s first investment funds.