Edge Of The Web - An Seo Podcast For Today's Digital Marketer

This week's EDGE of the Web dives into the seismic shifts rocking the digital marketing landscape, from Adobe's blockbuster SEMrush acquisition to Google's long-awaited rollout of Search Console Annotations (well, not so seismic). The future of AI in SEO and the rising tide of data privacy laws set the tone for a fast-changing industry. Erin Sparks, Crystal Carter, and Jacob Mann break down what Adobe's $1.9 billion move means for marketers and explore how WIX is upping its AI tools, accessibility, and agentic web readiness. The crew also spotlights ChatGPT's rumored ad features, Google's continued experimental AI Mode ads, and the EU's Digital Omnibus, raising stakes for marketers everywhere.  A side story on the dangers of AI SEO spam highlights how black hat tactics are evolving, bringing back old-school manipulation in a new LLM-driven context. The panel ponders whether brands and platforms are ready for the next frontier of search and content integrity. News from the EDGE: [00:07:55] Official: Adobe is

Cut the Crap! Here's a special episode with Wil Reynolds from Seer Interactive when we were at BrightonSEO 2025 in San Diego this year.  We HAD to grab Wil after his keynote and unpack his thoughts on where we are with AI and SEO.   No more excuses: Wil Reynolds lays out bold strategies, from open-source testing to hands-on experimentation, empowering pros at every level to innovate, even without buy-in from the top.  Hustle, determination, and optimizing for humans crushes the status quo and delivers real results. Ready to drop lazy listicles and lead with guts? Hit play for this straight-talking, actionable episode and stay sharp at the EDGE of the Web. Follow Our Guest Twitter: https://x.com/wilreynolds  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/wilreynolds/   

KPIs, Disrupted Is it time to rethink the key performance indicators driving digital marketing and SEO? This episode brings Wil Reynolds onto EDGE of the Web to challenge the old playbook and reveal how AI and changing online behavior are redefining success for marketers everywhere. Rankings and traffic volumes are fading as top priorities, replaced by strategies that value authenticity, human-centric connections, and theme-driven positioning. Erin Sparks and Wil Reynolds discuss the pitfalls of chasing vanity metrics, the impact of AI-powered search experiences, and how SEOs must rebalance their approach to focus on conversions, brand trust, and recommendation-driven marketing. The conversation tackles how agencies can communicate real value to clients in an era where genuine, meaningful engagement trumps sheer numbers. Prepare to learn about evolving KPIs and marketing metrics, and discover why the future belongs to agencies that champion purpose, value, and real connection in a rapidly shifting digital eco

Is ChatGPT's new Atlas browser a Google killer? Greg Finn joins the roundtable to unpack shifting search results in Atlas, debate its reliability, and explore where Google, Bing, and browser innovation collide. The team tackles the impact of major AWS outages on Fortnite, Alexa, and the broader web, then pivots to Meta's fresh scam alerts targeting older users. Plus, get up to speed on breaking paid ad news: new Google Ads text guidelines, canceled account data deletion, shopping ad subscriptions, and the latest reporting tools aimed at advertisers. Greg brings a reality check on ad controls, while strong opinions surface on Meta's anti-scam efforts and the future of paid search amid rapidly changing platforms. Don't miss the wrap-up as the hosts share practical advice, highlight upcoming releases, and tease next week's episode. Tune in for sharp analysis and timely commentary on the hottest news shaping digital marketing, right here on EDGE of the Web! News from the EDGE: [00:02:41] OpenAI introduces ChatGPT

AI Eats Your Content Is your website feeding the AI overlords? Or hiding all the good stuff under napkins and toggles? On this week’s EDGE of the Web, Erin Sparks sits down with Carolyn Shelby, Principal SEO at Yoast, to reveal why your site’s juiciest content may be lost to the bots (and your users, too).   We dig into Carolyn’s strategies for structuring content that’s not only valuable to users, but also perfectly plated for LLMs like GPT and Google’s AI Overview. From the new LLMs.txt “treasure map” for your website to deep dives on why schema isn’t your silver bullet, Carolyn delivers expert guidance (complete with sheet cake metaphors and cafeteria tray analogies) to help you chunk, serve, and show off your best ideas for the AI appetite.   And, for those still determined to hide FAQs behind fancy sliders… watch out. Carolyn shares why conversion flow isn’t where you think it is, and why making peace with longer, openly structured info pages might just save your SEO bacon (and your server bills).   We w

Erin welcomes Carolyn Shelby, the Principal SEO at Yoast and a renowned authority in technical and enterprise SEO. Carolyn brings decades of hands-on experience from her pioneering days in digital marketing, working with brands like Disney’s ESPN, Tribune Publishing, and major nonprofits. The conversation kicks off with a surprising twist—Carolyn’s unique title as Queen of the micronation Ladonia—before diving into her role at Yoast and their latest innovation: the LLMs.txt file generator. Carolyn explains how this new file helps websites communicate their most valuable content directly to large language models like ChatGPT and Google’s AI, streamlining the way future search agents discover and answer questions with information from your site. We explore what inspired Yoast’s push to roll out LLMs.txt to over 13 million sites, what website owners should include in their files, potential industry pushback, the adoption challenge with search giants, and how this moment could change the way websites optimize for

Is Google Search thriving or dying? How is AI eating your PPC lunch, and why won’t Google make up its mind?  This week, we cover trending topics including Google’s expanded AI mode for multi-lingual search, Reddit’s sneaky push for publisher power with brand new Pro Tools, and the surprising court ruling that lets Google keep Chrome… while also sharing some of its special sauce (most likely a can of Ragu). You’ll hear how shifting digital consumer behavior (think: the Four S’s—searching, scrolling, streaming, shopping) is making marketers rethink their omnichannel strategies, and why social media optimization keeps creeping into every SEO conversation. Plus, Cindy Krum shares fresh holiday search trends and reveals why TikTok Shop might outpace traditional ecommerce. We even poke fun at Google’s “reality”—the web’s apparently booming and crumbling at the exact same time, depending on who’s asking. News from the EDGE: [00:02:24] BrightonSEO Tickets! [00:05:33] Google expands AI Mode beyond English [00:10:04]

Google’s AI is poised to wipe out half of news publishers’ traffic, but Barry Adams isn’t here to panic—he’s here to bring the hard truths (with a side of hope). On this week’s EDGE of the Web, we dive deep into how Google’s relentless AI advancements, from overviews to the new AI mode, threaten the very foundation of news publishing. Join host Erin Sparks and News SEO specialist Barry Adams as they break down the seismic shifts hitting news publishers: AI overviews stealing clicks, Top Stories boxes protecting (for now), and why AI mode is a technological hand grenade waiting to go off. Barry shares what’s working, what’s not, and why keeping up with Google’s user experience data from the Chrome browser is harder than ever. We cover how publishers can future-proof themselves—think personalization, paywalls, and bundling—before Google fully flips the AI switch. Side quest: Ever wondered how to train your audience to pay for news in a world where everything’s free (thanks, Google)? Barry makes a compelling cas

Meta’s got its eyes (and algorithms) locked on unoriginal content, and that’s just the tip of the AI-powered iceberg. This week, EDGE of the Web is knee-deep in septic tank puns and even deeper into breaking news shaking up AI, SEO, and the future of web browsing. Hosts Erin Sparks and guest Crystal Carter wade through Meta’s latest moves to curb content farms and content theft, Google’s new AI-generated shopping and search experiments, and the shocking rise of AI-powered browser contenders. Plus, the crew gets real about how AI Overviews are cannibalizing clicks, what “agentic AI” means for your future shopping sprees (and your calendar), and why being authentic is still your best bet in the SEO cesspool. In a particularly cheeky side note, Erin and Crystal dissect the subtle strategies hidden in Google’s virtual try-on images—are those AI-generated smiles a sly tactic for boosting conversions? Spoiler: Someone’s always a little happier in new clothes. Don’t panic (and always carry a towel): EDGE of the Web

AI Mode goes global, Google’s giving users the easy button, and Reddit and Wikipedia are snagging prime AI real estate. This week, the EDGE dives into the explosion of AI Mode, the changing landscape of web traffic, and the wild world of social media innovation—with plenty of insights from Duncan Alney of Firebelly and the EDGE team. Get the latest on Google’s brand-new AI Mode launching in 180 countries (but only in English for now), and why letting AI do the reasoning for you might make us all a little lazier. Plus, referral traffic from ChatGPT is plummeting while Reddit and Wikipedia become citation royalty—what’s that mean for content creators? Throw in TikTok’s geopolitical drama, Threads’ big user milestone, Instagram’s not-so-secret engagement hack, and the verdict on whether posting more really boosts your Insta clout. Is the age of critical thinking officially in peril? Erin and Duncan muse on whether AI is boosting collective intelligence—or just making us all a little dumber—while Jacob chimes in

Bruce Clay is back on the EDGE and he’s bringing a fresh arsenal of SEO wisdom—plus his latest tool, Prewriter.AI! Bruce unpacks the ever-evolving landscape of search, where being a subject matter expert isn’t just nice to have, it’s non-negotiable in the age of large language models. Get ready for a hands-on journey through the world of structured data, website architecture, and the key realm of silos and clusters (yes, we’re geeking out on knowledge graphs). Bruce dishes out why schema isn’t just a box-ticking exercise—and why too much schema can lead Google down the wrong rabbit hole. There’s a hearty debate on how SEOs, content teams, and AI must now dance together to outwit homogenized AI content and truly stand out in the SERPs. Side note: If you’re thinking the future is all about stuffing your site with as much schema as humanly (err, robotically?) possible, Bruce is here to beg you—please don’t overdo it. Ambiguity is the enemy, but “over-schematizing” is hardly the answer! To wrap things up, Bruce g

A whopping 43% of consumers allegedly use AI tools daily – or do they? This week, Local SEO expert Greg Gifford and the EDGE team dissect the latest digital marketing headlines, exposing the flaws behind flashy AI stats, CTR doom-and-gloom, and Google's evolving local business verifications, all while dodging shady review extortionists (and some Coldplay memes). The crew calls out shaky survey methodologies and sample sets that would make any statistician cringe. Discover why that 32% drop in Google’s top CTR may be missing more context than your cousin’s Facebook rants, and why local businesses should give side-eye to Google’s new AI-calling feature that threatens to turn bespoke service into a commodity. And if you’ve been targeted by one-star review scams, Greg’s got some no-nonsense advice for fighting back – armed with screenshots, not dessert bribes. Spoiler alert: If your restaurant is handing out free tiramisu for reviews, you might be breaking federal law (and Greg will rant accordingly). Plus, why t

Bruce Clay (yes, *the* Bruce Clay) returns to EDGE of the Web, and Erin tries to pretend the SEO world hasn’t changed a bit in five years. Spoiler: It most definitely has, and Bruce is here to walk us through his journey from the days of Excite and AltaVista to the AI-fueled search ecosystem of today. It’s a continued conversation on the EDGE regarding how AI is shaking up traditional SEO practices, from content and conversion to that all-important site-wide intent matching. Bruce and Erin break down the evolving art of helpful content, why intent is suddenly the star of the SEO show, and how marketers need to catch up with users who are now trained by endless queries and AI-powered overviews. If you thought ranking was tricky before, try staying relevant in a world where your web page needs to be more than just a pretty face—think FAQs, sitewide helpfulness, and a privacy link in your footer for extra measure. Bruce shares his firm take: AI is a tool, not a replacement. Research smarter, humanize your conten

It’s a packed episode of Paid Ad News from the EDGE, and Greg Finn of Cypress North is back to break down the latest developments across Google Ads, Performance Max, and AI-driven campaign shifts. Erin Sparks and Greg discuss everything from keywordless “AI Max” targeting to new reporting transparency in Performance Max, the future of video ads in search results, and the subtle changes coming to Local Service Ads. Plus, what does it mean when Google lets your manager’s policy violations pause your ad account? You’ll want to hear this. It’s all about smarter ad strategy, safer account management, and where AI is leading the paid space next. News from the EDGE: [00:03:30] A delay on the TikTok ban again? [00:07:05] Zero-click searches rise, organic clicks dip: Report [00:10:55] EDGE of the Web Sponsor: Site Strategics [00:12:10] LLMS.txt - it’s a treasure map! Paid Ad News with Greg Finn: [00:15:16] Google Expands Video Ads Across Search, Shopping, and Image Tabs [00:17:56] Testing AI Max in Google Ads: When t

Human vs. Machine Mayhem Marketing maven Mark Schaefer returns to EDGE of the Web, diving headfirst into the audacious art of brand disruption in a world brimming with AI-generated noise.  We unpack Schaefer’s latest book, "Audacious: How Humans Win in an AI Marketing World" offering wild tales of brands that drop the cookie-cutter for shock, spectacle, and seriously weird TikToks (lookin’ at you, Nutter Butter). From QR codes in the sky luring diners out of restaurants, to the marketing taboo-breakers of Liquid Death and ELF Cosmetics, we explore how marketers can stir emotion, break convention—without getting canceled—and measure the impact when you throw the box away altogether. Pro tip? If your marketing feels safe, it’s probably boring, and AI will eat your lunch. Mark serves up a snappy checklist for dodging legal snooze-fests and making campaigns people actually remember—because sometimes a little weird goes a long way. Key Segments: [00:02:22] The Book! [00:07:41] Reimagining Storytelling with AI [00:

WordPress hits play after a messy pause, but is it too little, too late for the CMS giant? Meanwhile, Google’s AI experiments are changing the rules for email marketing, local search, and desktop Discover, leaving marketers everywhere scrambling for a playbook that doesn’t exist. Erin and SEO pro Cindy Krum break down WordPress’s mudslinging match with WP Engine and the quiet return to development, all while raising eyebrows over community trust. We check on Google’s ever-evolving SERPs—AI Overviews, the deployment of Discover on desktop, and the not-so-sneaky ways impressions and clicks are decoupling faster than you can say “zero-click search.” Added to the mix: AI’s impact on your inbox and why we might all end up living the “Dead Internet Theory.” Is SEO on life support or just evolving (again)? We debate the rosy new journey-centric approach while side-eyeing Google’s “trust us, bro” attitude toward data transparency. Buckle up for a rapid-fire tour through the SEO wilderness—tracking AI hallucinations,

Mark Schaefer returns to EDGE of the Web to share his vision of marketing's future in an AI-saturated landscape. With a blend of insight and candor, Mark tackles the evolution of social media, the risks and rewards of AI, and how brands can stand out by tapping into authentic human emotion. Hear why traditional marketing is falling flat and discover what “everyday awe” means for building deep brand loyalty. Plus, Mark unveils the tech twist behind the cover of his new book, Audacious: How Humans Win in an AI Marketing World. This is not just another marketing chat; it’s a call to disrupt before you're disrupted. Key Segments: [00:04:12] Marc Schaefer: Marketing Visionary [00:07:55] Shift to Private Online Spaces [00:12:45] EDGE of the Web Title Sponsor: Site Strategics [00:15:35] Innovative Tech Saves Podcast Episode [00:17:28] AI Mimicking Voices of Deceased Relatives [00:21:49] Brand Marketing's Emotional Impact [00:23:25] Everyday Awe and Collective Effervescence [00:29:41] EDGE of The Web Sponsor: Inlinks

CTR Secrets and Social Shakeups It’s another jam-packed ride on EDGE of the Web as Erin is joined by Duncan Alney of Firebelly to discuss News in Social this week. With Google hyping up AI Overviews but dodging every meaningful CTR question, it seems the only thing spinning faster than SERP layouts are the PR answers. Get the inside scoop on how ChatGPT gobbles up over 80% of AI search traffic (Google, take notes), why Meta’s launching a CapCut rival to remix your socials, and how Reddit is scrambling to keep the bots at bay after AI sock puppets could sway opinions 3-6x better than humans. Meanwhile, Pinterest is charging ahead with AI content labeling so you can actually see—surprise!—real images again. Plus, political maneuvering has TikTok advertisers doing the Hokey Pokey while Meta rolls out shiny new ad options across Threads and more. Our hot take? If you thought getting a blue check was easy, wait until you see Blue Sky put the power of verification in the hands of users and newsrooms—finally, checkm

Curious where your website visitors are really clicking—or rage-clicking? On this week’s EDGE of the Web, SEO expert Celeste Gonzalez returns to break down how heatmaps and session recordings are transforming the way we analyze user behavior, optimize pages, and (hopefully) keep our clients engaged. We dig into practical tips for choosing the right pages to monitor, interpreting the sometimes confusing world of “dead clicks” versus “rage clicks,” and why your mobile hero image might be killing conversions. A/B testing? Internal linking tests for those blog post traffic hogs?  On a side note: if you haven’t looked at Microsoft Clarity (a freebie, folks), you’re missing out. Celeste spills why it’s her go-to and what to watch for as AI-powered tools like Copilot throw their hot takes into the mix. And we concur! Always be optimizing! Whether you’re an SEO wrangling for bigger budgets or a marketer tired of guessing, Celeste’s advice on collaboration, continuous testing, and the necessity of structured analysis

This week, Erin Sparks and Jacob Mann are joined by Danny Goodwin, editorial director at Search Engine Land, for a special “News from the News” edition. They dive into the sharp rise of Google Ad costs and the troubling effects of CPC inflation, Instagram’s experimental new collaborative Storylines feature, and an in-depth study comparing AI search engines like ChatGPT, Perplexity, Bing, and Google. The conversation shifts to major legal blows hitting Google’s ad tech monopoly, new research revealing how AI overviews are significantly cutting into click-through rates, and the future of search as generative AI reshapes the landscape. Plus, Danny shares exciting updates about SMX Advanced returning live this June in Boston, marking the first in-person event in five years. News from the EDGE: [00:04:29] CPC inflation: How fast are Google Ads costs rising? [00:09:45] Instagram Experiments With Collaborative Stories Feature [00:12:47] ChatGPT vs Perplexity vs Google vs Bing: Which AI search engine generates the be