Liminal Living

In this engaging conversation, Tom Rundel and Kathy Khang explore the complexities of faith, deconstruction, and the journey towards reimagining spirituality in a modern context. They discuss the importance of love, community, and the challenges of navigating conversations with differing perspectives. Kathy shares her insights on embodied theology, the significance of human connection, and the need for authenticity in faith practices. The dialogue emphasizes the importance of acknowledging past mistakes, trusting one's voice, and finding magic in everyday moments, ultimately advocating for a more compassionate and human-centered approach to spirituality.takeawaysKathy emphasizes the importance of love in understanding God.Navigating tensions between love and anger is crucial in today's world.Conversations with differing perspectives require discernment and good faith.Embodied theology connects faith with physical experiences.Authenticity in faith practices is a challenge for many.Human connection is vital in

takeawaysIf a good God exists, why does suffering occur?We often attribute suffering to a greater good.The mystery of God's plan can be hard to understand.Tragedies like cancer and war challenge our beliefs.Supernaturalism becomes problematic when faced with evil.The death of children raises profound questions about faith.World events like the Holocaust complicate the narrative of a good God.Understanding suffering requires deep philosophical inquiry.Faith can be tested by the realities of life.The conversation highlights the struggle between belief and evidence.Links:Book: [Click Here]Article: [Beyond the Pitchfork] SponsorsQuoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off)Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise)  ConnectFind us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/Follow us on Facebook:

Deconstruction is a journey many are experiencing.The dichotomy of natural and supernatural is outdated.Prayer should be seen as cooperation with God.God's omnipotence is often misunderstood.Selective miracles create distrust in God.Enchantment in the world is often overlooked.Philosophy and theology should work together.Resurrection narratives can be reinterpreted.Life after death may involve continued subjective experience.Trust in God can be rebuilt through understanding God's nature. SponsorsQuoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off)Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise)  ConnectFind us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminallivingFollow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0owFollow us on Pat

takeawaysPhilosophy begins in wonder and should cultivate it.The universe is not disenchanted; it is full of wonder.Science and spirituality can coexist and enrich each other.Values are perceived through our consciousness and are objective.Art and poetry play a crucial role in understanding reality.Experiences of enchantment can be reintroduced into our lives.The journey of understanding death can be transformative.The integration of science and faith requires humility.Objective values exist but must be understood in context.Practices like meditation and storytelling can enhance our sense of wonder.ChaptersIntroduction and Context of WonderThe Journey of Deconstruction and Re-enchantmentIntegrating Science and SpiritualityThe Nature of Spirit and ConsciousnessThe Renaissance of PanpsychismReconnecting Spirit and MatterIndigenous Worldviews and Colonial PerspectivesThe Limitations of Language and DogmaArt, Poetry, and the Enchantment of ScienceExperiencing the Enchantment of LifeThe Interplay of Subjective and

Chapters Navigating Change: Personal and Professional Transitions The Political Landscape: Insights from Local Governance Reimagining God: Contrasting Views in Christianity The Kingdom of God: Understanding Its True Nature Revival or Division? The Current State of Christianity The Echoes of McCarthyism Awakening from Christian Nationalism The Cruelty of Reality The Cost of Austerity Revival and Reversal of Power Grassroots Hope and Community Building SponsorsQuoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off)Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise)  ConnectFind us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminallivingFollow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0owFollow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/l

Being in nature and facing challenges is vital.Community support is essential during difficult times.Toxic positivity denies reality; genuine hope acknowledges pain.Pastors often feel powerless in a chaotic world.The need for pastoral care is mutual between pastor and congregation.Navigating political issues in ministry is complex.Moral choices in politics often feel inconsistent.Christian nationalism poses a significant challenge to faith.Capitalism influences our understanding of God.We must imagine God beyond economic systems. Self-interest governs the market, but it conflicts with the Kingdom of God.The Kingdom of God operates on grace, not merit.Christianity has been co-opted by capitalism in America.The Enlightenment shifted God from the material to the immaterial.Debt relief is a biblical principle that many Christians overlook.Christian nationalism often distorts the true message of the Gospel.Freedom and supremacy are often conflated in religious contexts.Naming systemic issues is crucial for spiritu

Being in nature and facing challenges is vital.Community support is essential during difficult times.Toxic positivity denies reality; genuine hope acknowledges pain.Pastors often feel powerless in a chaotic world.The need for pastoral care is mutual between pastor and congregation.Navigating political issues in ministry is complex.Moral choices in politics often feel inconsistent.Christian nationalism poses a significant challenge to faith.Capitalism influences our understanding of God.We must imagine God beyond economic systems. Self-interest governs the market, but it conflicts with the Kingdom of God.The Kingdom of God operates on grace, not merit.Christianity has been co-opted by capitalism in America.The Enlightenment shifted God from the material to the immaterial.Debt relief is a biblical principle that many Christians overlook.Christian nationalism often distorts the true message of the Gospel.Freedom and supremacy are often conflated in religious contexts.Naming systemic issues is crucial for spiritu

takeawaysTori Owens and Jonathan Foster discuss their experiences with open and relational theology.The definition of love is explored as a non-violent, non-scapegoating energy.Personal stories play a crucial role in understanding authority within the church.God assumptions can shape our emotional well-being and spirituality.Reimagining God in modern contexts is essential for spiritual growth.Emotional well-being is tied to our understanding of God and how we relate to others.Integrating new understandings of God requires practical steps in daily life.Listening to our bodies can provide insights into our emotional state and spirituality.Acting our way into new ways of thinking is more effective than merely changing our thoughts.The conversation emphasizes the importance of love-centric theology over power-centric theology.Links:Links: Jonathans many links: https://www.jonathanfosteronline.com/ Tori's Substack: https://toriowens.substack.com/ SponsorsQuoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-s

takeawaysMinistry leadership is inherently difficult and often leads to burnout.Burnout can stem from vocational disappointment and unmet expectations.Relational injuries within ministry contexts are common and can be deeply impactful.Pastors often neglect their emotional health, leading to unregulated emotions.It's essential for pastors to have friendships outside their congregations.The Kineo Center provides support for pastors experiencing burnout.Naming and addressing emotions is crucial for mental health.Internalized expectations can distort a pastor's sense of self.Navigating change in ministry requires awareness of relational dynamics.Creating space for lament in church settings is important for emotional health.Links: The Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/ The Quiz: https://www.thekineocenter.com/burnoutprevention SponsorsQuoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off)Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mentio

takeawaysJosh Patterson discusses his recent exploration of radical theology.The conversation highlights the importance of ongoing education through podcasts.Tom Rundel reflects on the evolution of his own theological perspectives.The hosts discuss the need for re-enchantment in a post-deconstruction world.Process theology is presented as a way to understand God as a verb rather than a noun.The conversation touches on the interconnectedness of all beings and the importance of community.The hosts emphasize the significance of storytelling in spirituality.They explore the role of symbols in religious traditions and their meanings.The discussion includes the importance of humility in understanding different faiths.The hosts encourage listeners to experiment with their faith and experiences.Links:Web: https://www.joshuagpatterson.com/Pod: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/rethinking-faith/id1438696524Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/RethinkingFaith SponsorsQuoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2

Tom Rundel and Jeremie Wilson conclude their Summer Songs of Resistance series with a cover of Lenny Kravitz's Let Love Rule Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off)  Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise)    Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living     

takeawaysMusic serves as a powerful tool for social change.The influence of U2 has shaped contemporary worship music.Songwriting often reflects personal and societal struggles.Love is portrayed as the most powerful force in the universe.Escapism in music can provide solace in difficult times.The Edge's guitar work exemplifies serving the song over showmanship.Music can evoke deep emotional responses and connections.Critique of empire and societal norms is essential in art.The importance of community and shared values in music.Artistic expression can challenge and inspire change. SponsorsQuoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off)Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise)  ConnectFind us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminallivingF

Tom Rundel and Jeremie Wilson continue their Summer Songs of Resistance series with a cover of Radio Head's Subterranean Homesick Alien Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off)  Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise)    Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living     

takeawaysMusic serves as a powerful tool for social change.The influence of U2 has shaped contemporary worship music.Songwriting often reflects personal and societal struggles.Love is portrayed as the most powerful force in the universe.Escapism in music can provide solace in difficult times.The Edge's guitar work exemplifies serving the song over showmanship.Music can evoke deep emotional responses and connections.Critique of empire and societal norms is essential in art.The importance of community and shared values in music.Artistic expression can challenge and inspire change. SponsorsQuoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off)Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise)  ConnectFind us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminallivingF

Tom Rundel and Jeremie Wilson continue their Summer Songs of Resistance series with a cover of an original tune Jeremie Wrote. Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off)  Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise)    Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living     

takeawaysMusic serves as a powerful tool for social change.The influence of U2 has shaped contemporary worship music.Songwriting often reflects personal and societal struggles.Love is portrayed as the most powerful force in the universe.Escapism in music can provide solace in difficult times.The Edge's guitar work exemplifies serving the song over showmanship.Music can evoke deep emotional responses and connections.Critique of empire and societal norms is essential in art.The importance of community and shared values in music.Artistic expression can challenge and inspire change. SponsorsQuoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off)Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise)  ConnectFind us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminallivingF

Tom Rundel and Jeremie Wilson continue their Summer Songs of Resistance series with a cover of U2's Running to Stand Still Sponsors Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off) Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off)  Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise)    Connect Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/ Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow Follow us on Patheos: patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/liminal-living     

takeawaysMusic serves as a powerful tool for social change.The influence of U2 has shaped contemporary worship music.Songwriting often reflects personal and societal struggles.Love is portrayed as the most powerful force in the universe.Escapism in music can provide solace in difficult times.The Edge's guitar work exemplifies serving the song over showmanship.Music can evoke deep emotional responses and connections.Critique of empire and societal norms is essential in art.The importance of community and shared values in music.Artistic expression can challenge and inspire change. SponsorsQuoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off)Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off) Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise)  ConnectFind us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminallivingF

Check out Brian's work here: https://brianmclaren.net/ Order his new Book here: https://brianmclaren.net/the-last-voyage-my-new-sci-fi-novel/ Check out his podcast here: https://cac.org/podcast/learning-how-to-see/?fbclid=IwAR2F2SM7RopzGuelD8HOshRFUCxhf9yg0wT9wz6lKWRSy9S6IO0Jnz2DX80 Takeaways Brian McLaren shares a joyful moment with his grandson. The importance of being present in the moment to find joy. Fiction can be a powerful medium to explore complex themes. Imagination is crucial in times of societal regression. Ethics should arise from mutual dependence within communities. Empathy is essential for a healthy ethical framework. The Bible reflects the values of an indigenous people. Progressive Christianity faces challenges in a modern context. Recontextualizing faith is necessary for contemporary believers. Hope is found in the conviction to pursue meaningful actions. Chapters Introduction and Background The Shift to Fiction Writing Exploring the Role of Storytelling Ethics and Community Dynamics The In

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