And Yet

Sometimes, when you make a mistake or say the wrong thing, it sticks with you. I mean, it really sticks with you. Sometimes, that can stick with you for days, weeks, or even years. Even just thinking about it can make your face turn red and your chest constricts due to all the anxiety, guilt, and general discomfort around the whole thing. These feelings can spark the desire to run away and avoid this discomfort at all costs. This is especially true with conversations centered around race: where white people with good intentions make mistakes, get defensive, and avoid the discomfort. On today’s episode, we talk with Joy Fennel, who handles these difficult and uncomfortable conversations with absolute grace. Together, we talk about where we have unintentionally participated in “white feminism,” and left others behind. We debrief our mistakes, confront our own white privilege, and learn to grow from there. Get ready to get uncomfortable with us and grow through this process. Some Questions I Ask: Do you oft