Rnz: The Podcast Hour

The ABC series 'How Do You Sleep At Night?' introduces 6 people doing unpopular or controversial things. From abortion clinic protesters, to big game hunters and people making billions from running pokie machines, the show's host Sarah McVeigh gently probes why they do what they do, and how they justify it to themselves. We play a clip of her shadowing Patrick Muttart, a tobacco industry lobbyist who's unapologetic about his chosen career path, working to promote the interests of an industry which kills 7 million of its customers every year.