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      Episode # 183 Today's Guest: Adriel Desautels, Founder & CEO, Netragard Adriel is a leader in cybersecurity with over 20 years of experience. Adriel founded Secure Network Operations and the SNOsoft Research Team, whose vulnerability research helped shape modern responsible disclosure practices. He later launched Netragard, pioneering Realistic Threat Penetration Testing, which he now call Red Teaming, and expanding into a broad range of security services. Website: Netregard X/Twitter: Netregard  What Listeners Will Learn: Why "AI penetration testing" is often closer to automated scanning than real offensive testing How AI changes security risk mainly through volume and speed, not necessarily sophistication Where organizations get misled into a false sense of security Why "preventing breach" is unrealistic and why limiting damage paths matters more What cybersecurity professionals should focus on to stay relevant in the LLM era How AI may influence vulnerability research, but still struggles with