Wallbuilders Live! With David Barton & Rick Green

A single court order that barred a 12-year-old from church. A split jury that left Kim Davis with a six-figure judgment. A growing wave of state moves to protect conscience while testing the limits of federal marriage and gender rulings. We sat down at the Pro Family Legislators Conference with attorney Matt Staver of Liberty Counsel to trace how these flashpoints connect—and why the debate over marriage shapes everything from religious liberty to sports, pronouns, and public spaces.Matt starts with a startling custody case from Maine, where a judge prohibited a young girl from attending religious services, reading the Bible, or even associating with church friends. He then walks us through the decade-long Kim Davis saga, the attempted accommodations that removed clerks’ names from licenses, and the Supreme Court’s refusal to revisit the case. Along the way, he makes a forceful claim: when marriage law treats gender as irrelevant, that logic spreads across policy. Whether you agree or not, the argument reveal