Thought Leaders Business Lab Podcast

If 2025 has felt like one long season of “burn it all down and start again,” this episode is going to hit very close to home. In this bonus conversation, Leon and I pull back the curtain and share our journey of knowing things needed to change, but also unsure what that actually looked like.  If you’re holding everything together right now and secretly wondering, “Is it just me? What am I doing?” Spoiler: you’re not broken. But you might be dragging a version of your business (and self) that can’t come with you into your next chapter.You’ll hear the honest story behind our own “burn it down” moment - from feeling like we were sprinting with shackles on, to questioning whether we could keep going, to restructuring our team and facing uncomfortable conversations we’d been avoiding. This isn’t a glossy highlight reel. It’s the story of our messy middle, our shaken confidence, and the emotional toll of leading a business while you’re quietly unravelling.If you’ve felt the urge to burn parts of